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Post by sksfordman on Jan 28, 2010 9:48:43 GMT -6
I take the Concealed Weapon permit class on Saturday!! My question is? I need a pistol for carrying? I don't care about the cost of ammo, cause I will reload for larger than 22 ammo. Can y'all make recommendations, as to what you carry and why, and for the reloaders, what ammo is fairly accurate out to around 25-50 yards. I want be accurate without some practice, so I'll definitely be buying a good target 22 for cheap practice!! Any help appreciated!! Randy ;D ;D
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Post by caretaker on Jan 28, 2010 19:23:35 GMT -6
I like the nine mm. for a simi pistol round. Not a lot of recoil,pleanty of knock down,not too expensive. As to pistol make or model to each their own. Being small framed and small handed I like a light weight slim grip. Someone with large hands would probably want a larger grip. I like 38 for revolvers.
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Post by ibugly on Jan 28, 2010 20:35:52 GMT -6
To carry you want a semi. Revolvers are hard to conceal and are heavier. If you hit someone in the kill area even with a 22 there is little chance they are going to continue to do you harm. Exceptions might be someone so drugged out they don't realize they've been shot. I agree go light in whatever you get. You might be carrying it all day and you also don't want a weapon that is obvious to spot either. You don't want to draw attention to the weapon. The more comfortable it is to carry the less self conscious you'll be carrying it. It will become second nature.
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Post by caretaker on Jan 28, 2010 20:41:30 GMT -6
In the 70`s when I was working in Alcoa at night and closing up and making deposits I carried a 25 simi.
Dad always carried a 32 simi when he had too.
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Post by ibugly on Jan 28, 2010 21:11:06 GMT -6
Ammo is another consideration. What is the easiest to find is one thing. That's what I like about 22's the most. That and it's also rifle ammo. But if you're reloading you won't be as prone to shortages like what happened this past year. For cost and comfort I'd say 32 and under. For my home I'd say 38sp or higher. For the house I like a revolver. It's safer to reach out and grab in a hurry and not have to worry about the safety etc. For carrying on you out of the house you want something you can get upholstered fast and respond quickly with.
Randy some states on the CCP list guns you qualified on to carry. Can you carry any type once you qualify or are you limited to what you qualified on?
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Post by sksfordman on Jan 29, 2010 1:16:25 GMT -6
John I'll have to find out if there is restrictions on carrying size on Saturday morning!! David I like the S&W 9mm semi, my son has. I had one like it for a few years, back 12 yrs ago. My mom has My dads 38 police special with a 6" barrel, and a 38 snub nose with a 2" barrel, I'm going to see if I can buy them from her, if she still has them!!
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Post by caretaker on Jan 29, 2010 18:18:43 GMT -6
The 38`s sound great Randy. Hope she will sell them to you.
I have an old sw pearl handled 32 revolver that I will not shoot unless absolutely necessary.
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Post by kg5388 on Jan 29, 2010 23:20:54 GMT -6
most defensive shootings happen at contact to 20 feet so long range accuracy is nice but not mandatory for carry.
a large accurate gun is nice but a big heavy gun is a gun left at home when you need it most as it is a pain to hide and carry .
a 4inch revolver for target and a snub nose for carry they both operate the same is about the easiest for someone starting out.
carrying more than one type of gun that shoots different from another is failure waiting to happen.
practice with a revolver and carry a semi and you won't have the muscle memory to flip a safety off without thinking about it in a adrenaline fight or flight situation.
A call I went on one night a guy came home and found a guy in his kitchen and He pulled his gun and shot the intruder once and then his pistol would not fire. He dropped the mag and inserted another mag and racked the slide but the gun would not fire. He failed to release the trigger all the way to allow it to reset.
He carried but did not practice much with his pistol.
I carry a 5 shot hammerless 2" smith in my pocket more than any pistol I carry it has no safety, no slide to rack or magazine to load or malfunction just shuck it and pull the trigger
I also carry a sig p239 in 40 it shoots great and is easy to hide with a good holster it's so good michelle claims it as hers even though I've had the sig longer than her.
on my sig you insert a mag then rack the slide and hit the decocker and then like my revolver just shuck, point and pull the trigger.
Michelle had to practice to be able to rack the slide back it sounds easy just grab and pull but for some people thats hard to do.
I carry a 1911 a lot but there are more things to do as it is not just point and pull and you must train with it alot.
a semi auto is nice it has a lot more bullets in it and may be thinner but is prone to more problems something as simple as limp wristing can cause a malfuction. thats just not locking your wrist and holding the gun firmly will cause it to malfunction more problems are more steps in tear down and cleaning and properly lubricating it.
I'm not trying to say a revolver is the greatest and a semi auto sucks they each have their own pros and cons that must be thought about for a carry gun.
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Post by kg5388 on Jan 29, 2010 23:26:21 GMT -6
Dang that was a long post I didn't mean to ramble but I see a lot of people at the range that have problems with their choice of gun and lack of training.
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Post by ibugly on Jan 30, 2010 18:46:06 GMT -6
I read something last night I think will fix a problem I'm having with my S-6. Shooting it single action I can hit OK with it but trying it double action I haven't learned to compensate for trigger pull or rather I figured out I'm stopping and not pulling the trigger smooth and equal.
One tip was to put a dime on the barrel and dry fire. When you could shoot without it falling off your pull should be smooth enough not to affect your aim. I'm comfortable with the pistol I just have to get this problem corrected. I always shoot the first shot single action though as a matter of habit. For self defense I want every advantage on the first shot I can get.
I haven't owned a semi but I do like revolves for safety reasons, instant firing availability, & simplicity. Downside is concealment and weight.
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Post by kg5388 on Jan 30, 2010 20:06:45 GMT -6
make sure when you dry fire you use a snap cap or place a foam earplug where the hammer falls to help prevent damage to the fire pin in the gun
one of the easiest ways to fix problems is practice
the new generations of air soft air guns make practice at home safe and easy. if your lucky you can find one cheap that matches the operation of your carry pistol.
a box with a towel hanging from the top middle will stop the plastic pellets after they go through a target on the front of the box and drop the to the bottom of the box to be used again.
another advantage is you can set targets up in different areas of the house and practice different shots and positions.
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Post by ibugly on Jan 30, 2010 20:23:51 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice. When it thaws which should be payday I'm going to buy anout another 100 rounds to see if I can work this out. One good thing I don't flinch with it. The firing doesn't bother me but I'm using 38sp's instead of 357's. 38's are cheaper and I don't have to reload if I leave it with my wife. All she's gonna get is one shot off and she'll fire single action.
I do know that's my problem on the revolver though. I have a C02 air pistol and I can hit dead on all day with it. But I'm not having to advance the cylinder and hammer either.
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Post by caretaker on Jan 30, 2010 20:33:43 GMT -6
Does anyone know the requirements for blackpowder revolvers. I know a muzzleload rifle or shot gun can be transported with a charge and is considered unloaded as long as there is no cap on the nipple. Are the pistols considered the same?
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Post by fyimo on Jan 31, 2010 15:30:46 GMT -6
I've been away for a while and just saw this post. I would recommend either a small 9mm semi auto or a pocket revolver like the S&W snub nose like my Model 36. I carry a Sig P228 Swiss Police trade in because it's about as small as they get in an all steel gun and I got mine for $500. The Sig P228 carries 15 in the magazine (Mec-Gar) and is totally reliable. When I carry the S&W Model 36 it has 5 rounds of +p 125 grain hollow point 38 special ammo. I think you can guess that the Model 36 is my summer in my pants pocket gun and the Sig is my carry gun 8 months out of the year in a holster under my shirt. I forgot to mention that in Arkansas if you qualify for your carry permit with a revolver that is all you can carry. I qualify with the semi-auto and that way I can carry either.
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Post by ibugly on Jan 31, 2010 19:46:34 GMT -6
Model 36 looks ideal to carry. When my rich uncle gets out of the poor house I'd like to get one. Seriously it does look like a great weapon.
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